Periodically I Refer to Specific Books, Recordings, Documents or Other Reference Items.  Some of Them Are Listed Here

The Five Interviews of Dr. Jamison Neruda found on the site.  These interviews are a part of the story of the Labyrinth Group, an unrecognized extension of the ACIO (Advanced Contact Intelligence Organization), a department of the NSA.

The initial story is found in the book, “Ancient Arrow Project,”  a recommended pre-reading to understand the background of the interviews.  This book can also be found in PDF format on the Wingmakers website listed above.

These interviews were finished in January 1998.  The first two were released immediately, the third and fourth were held for four years and the fifth interview, discussing material so advanced it was held and not released until 16 years later in 2014.

These documents are in PDF format.

First Nereuda Interview

Second Neruda Interview

Third Neruda Interview

Fourth Neruda Interview

Fifth Neruda 

Wes Penre Sources, Click Here for his website,

Click here for his 454 page PDF book on the upcoming artificial intelligence world

The July 18th Live Streaming Program, “Freeing Ourselves From Our Programmed Holographic World.”  

I frequently refer to the scientific research that mentions our world  at the quantum level is a holographic illusion.  The best book to express this is “The Holographic Universe” by Michael Talbot.

I also highly recommend the four books by Gary Renard with his first “Disappearance of the Universe” being the best introduction to the world not being real.

Gary Renard’s books, the Neruda interviews and A Course in Miracles all describe we live in a world of separation consciousness that is the very root of all our problems as a human race.  They also describe how to move past separation consciousness and into a world of “oneness” of unity consciousness.